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8.08.2019
Real Presence or "Actual Presence"
You’ve likely heard the news… “Just one-third of U.S. Catholics agree with their church that Eucharist is body, blood of Christ.” File this one under the challenges of translating complex theology into straightforward survey questions.
Pew asked Catholic respondents the following questions:
Which of the following best describes Catholic teaching about the bread and wine used for Communion? The bread and wine…
1. Actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ
2. Are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ
3. Not sure
Regardless of the official teaching of the Catholic Church, what do you personally believe about the bread and wine used for Communion? During Catholic Mass, the bread and wine…
1. Actually become the body and blood of Jesus Christ
2. Are symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ
These questions produced the following results:
This is significantly different than what sociologists of religion found in 2011 in the United States. Their results look like this (described in a previous post):
Has the percentage of Catholics who know the Church teaching on the Real Presence and who believe in it fallen from 46% in 2011 to 28% in 2019? That is a very dramatic shift. Has the percentage who are unaware of the Church’s teaching yet who believe in the Real Presence gone from 17% to only 2%? Overall, Pew’s study, in contrast to the earlier survey, would seem to indicate the share of Catholic not believing in the Real Presence has spiked upward from 37% in 2011 to 65% in 2019.
It is important to note that the 2011 study used slightly different question wording:
Which of the following statements best describes the Catholic teaching about the bread and wine used for communion?
1. The bread and wine really become the body and blood of Jesus Christ
2. The bread and wine are only symbols of the body and blood of Jesus Christ
Do you believe that at the Consecration during a Catholic Mass, the bread and wine really become the body and blood of Jesus Christ?
1. Yes, believe
2. No, don't believe
The differences between results in the surveys may reflect a real shift in belief or they may be an artifact of the difference in question wording. I think it is about Real Presence and “Actual Presence” (Note: CARA has used different wording to ask about the Real Presence in 2001 and 2008: “Jesus Christ is really present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist vs. Bread and wine are symbols of Jesus, but Jesus is not really present”).
According to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), “the Catholic Church professes that, in the celebration of the Eucharist, bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit and the instrumentality of the priest.” This is also described as “an inexhaustible mystery.” Further, the bishops note, “In the celebration of the Eucharist, the glorified Christ becomes present under the appearances of bread and wine in a way that is unique, a way that is uniquely suited to the Eucharist. In the Church's traditional theological language, in the act of consecration during the Eucharist the ‘substance’ of the bread and wine is changed by the power of the Holy Spirit into the ‘substance’ of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. At the same time, the ‘accidents’ or appearances of bread and wine remain.”
Thus, many Catholics may understand that the bread and wine do not “actually” become the Body and Blood of Christ in the way we may use that word in everyday life (i.e., factually present as proven by empirical observation). You can’t take the Eucharist and put it under the microscope and see cellular flesh. No chemical analysis will show the presence of hemoglobin (with the exception of belief in Eucharistic miracles). At the same time, the Eucharist is not just a “symbol.” The presence of Christ is “really” there. The USCCB notes, “This kind of presence corresponds to the virtue of faith, for the presence of the Body and Blood of Christ cannot be detected or discerned by any way other than faith.” In this way, the Pew religious knowledge question on this item is incomplete at best.
My hunch is that if you replace “actually” with “really” in the questions (or better yet use “Jesus Christ is really present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist vs. Bread and wine are symbols of Jesus, but Jesus is not really present”) you’ll see a different result. It’s subtle. It’s also just a hypothesis. CARA will be testing this during the Fall and should have an update soon.
Creative Commons image of stained glass courtesy of Fr Lawrence Lew, O.P.
7.10.2019
For Its Size, The Church in Myanmar is Producing More Priests than Anywhere Else
Every three years CARA calculates diocesan ordination rates in the
United States, which are published in The CARA Report. This post looks globally
at national ordination rates for diocesan priests. This is done with the most recent available
ordination data for 2015, 2016, and 2017 and Catholic population data for 2017
from the Vatican’s Annuarium Statisticum
Ecclesiae. The table below lists countries in rank order by number of
Catholics to ordinand ratios. While we analyzed data for every available
country the table only includes those that satisfy the following
qualifications: 1) has a population of at least 100,000 Catholics, and 2a) a
total of at least nine ordinations in the three years examined or 2b) has at least one ordination in
each of the three years.
Brazil is one of the countries with more than 1,000 ordinations in the most recent three years for which data is available. India also ordained more than 1,000 men. The difference between the two countries is that there are 22 million Catholics in India compared to 175 million in Brazil. Thus, India had 14,433 Catholics per diocesan ordinand compared to 137,846 Catholics per ordinand in Brazil. India is producing more priests (1,523 from 2015-17 compared to 1,269 in Brazil during the same period) with a smaller Catholic population.
The countries creating the most new priests relative to the size of their Catholic population include: Myanmar (8,193 Catholics per ordinand), Thailand (10,514 per ordinand), Togo (12,381 per ordinand), Vietnam (12,843 per ordinand), and Bangladesh (12,967 per ordinand). This includes four Asian countries and one African country.
The United States comes in just above the middle of the pack with 52,869 Catholics per ordinand. Just ahead of the U.S. is Great Britain, where many more new priests per Catholic are ordained than in neighboring Ireland (52,867 Catholics per ordinand compared to 117,404 in Ireland).
Brazil is one of the countries with more than 1,000 ordinations in the most recent three years for which data is available. India also ordained more than 1,000 men. The difference between the two countries is that there are 22 million Catholics in India compared to 175 million in Brazil. Thus, India had 14,433 Catholics per diocesan ordinand compared to 137,846 Catholics per ordinand in Brazil. India is producing more priests (1,523 from 2015-17 compared to 1,269 in Brazil during the same period) with a smaller Catholic population.
The countries creating the most new priests relative to the size of their Catholic population include: Myanmar (8,193 Catholics per ordinand), Thailand (10,514 per ordinand), Togo (12,381 per ordinand), Vietnam (12,843 per ordinand), and Bangladesh (12,967 per ordinand). This includes four Asian countries and one African country.
The United States comes in just above the middle of the pack with 52,869 Catholics per ordinand. Just ahead of the U.S. is Great Britain, where many more new priests per Catholic are ordained than in neighboring Ireland (52,867 Catholics per ordinand compared to 117,404 in Ireland).
Ordinations
|
|||||||
Rank
|
Country
|
2015
|
2016
|
2017
|
Total
|
Catholics per Ordinand
|
Catholics
|
1
|
Myanmar
|
21
|
29
|
33
|
83
|
8,193
|
680,000
|
2
|
Thailand
|
15
|
9
|
13
|
37
|
10,514
|
389,000
|
3
|
Togo
|
61
|
53
|
54
|
168
|
12,381
|
2,080,000
|
4
|
Vietnam
|
163
|
183
|
189
|
535
|
12,843
|
6,871,000
|
5
|
Bangladesh
|
8
|
7
|
15
|
30
|
12,967
|
389,000
|
6
|
Mali
|
12
|
6
|
5
|
23
|
13,130
|
302,000
|
7
|
Eritrea
|
4
|
4
|
8
|
16
|
13,625
|
218,000
|
8
|
India
|
490
|
531
|
502
|
1,523
|
14,433
|
21,981,000
|
9
|
Romania
|
35
|
30
|
32
|
97
|
14,897
|
1,445,000
|
10
|
South
Korea
|
118
|
102
|
145
|
365
|
15,704
|
5,732,000
|
11
|
Sri
Lanka
|
40
|
27
|
27
|
94
|
16,936
|
1,592,000
|
12
|
Ukraine
|
81
|
113
|
91
|
285
|
17,330
|
4,939,000
|
13
|
Guinea
|
1
|
4
|
11
|
16
|
17,625
|
282,000
|
14
|
Israel
|
4
|
6
|
7
|
17
|
17,765
|
302,000
|
15
|
Ghana
|
61
|
62
|
82
|
205
|
18,317
|
3,755,000
|
16
|
Senegal
|
23
|
4
|
14
|
41
|
19,268
|
790,000
|
17
|
Egypt
|
6
|
4
|
4
|
14
|
19,286
|
270,000
|
18
|
Japan
|
11
|
7
|
9
|
27
|
19,852
|
536,000
|
19
|
Botswana
|
1
|
2
|
2
|
5
|
22,800
|
114,000
|
20
|
Cameroon
|
86
|
116
|
88
|
290
|
22,976
|
6,663,000
|
21
|
Equatorial
Guinea
|
6
|
24
|
9
|
39
|
23,282
|
908,000
|
22
|
Malta
|
3
|
9
|
5
|
17
|
24,353
|
414,000
|
23
|
Syrian
Arab Republic
|
2
|
3
|
4
|
9
|
24,444
|
220,000
|
24
|
Taiwan
|
5
|
3
|
1
|
9
|
24,778
|
223,000
|
25
|
Bosnia
and Herzegovina
|
7
|
7
|
2
|
16
|
25,125
|
402,000
|
26
|
Burkina
Faso
|
40
|
30
|
46
|
116
|
25,405
|
2,947,000
|
27
|
Benin
|
40
|
53
|
36
|
129
|
28,450
|
3,670,000
|
28
|
Nigeria
|
319
|
342
|
347
|
1,008
|
28,646
|
28,875,000
|
29
|
Sweden
|
1
|
2
|
1
|
4
|
30,000
|
120,000
|
30
|
Sierra
Leone
|
1
|
6
|
3
|
10
|
31,300
|
313,000
|
31
|
Slovakia
|
36
|
43
|
45
|
124
|
32,331
|
4,009,000
|
32
|
Solomon
Islands
|
1
|
2
|
1
|
4
|
32,750
|
131,000
|
33
|
Ethiopia
|
12
|
12
|
3
|
27
|
33,556
|
906,000
|
34
|
Rwanda
|
37
|
59
|
60
|
156
|
35,449
|
5,530,000
|
35
|
Zimbabwe
|
16
|
19
|
18
|
53
|
36,811
|
1,951,000
|
36
|
Indonesia
|
64
|
61
|
96
|
221
|
37,068
|
8,192,000
|
37
|
Poland
|
327
|
339
|
327
|
993
|
37,325
|
37,064,000
|
38
|
New
Zealand
|
10
|
2
|
4
|
16
|
37,438
|
599,000
|
39
|
Lebanon
|
24
|
19
|
14
|
57
|
37,579
|
2,142,000
|
40
|
Chad
|
10
|
18
|
4
|
32
|
39,594
|
1,267,000
|
41
|
Croatia
|
40
|
23
|
26
|
89
|
41,000
|
3,649,000
|
42
|
Gabon
|
10
|
5
|
7
|
22
|
44,000
|
968,000
|
43
|
Iraq
|
1
|
9
|
3
|
13
|
45,308
|
589,000
|
44
|
Albania
|
6
|
2
|
3
|
11
|
46,000
|
506,000
|
45
|
Congo
|
14
|
16
|
25
|
55
|
47,691
|
2,623,000
|
46
|
Burundi
|
41
|
37
|
60
|
138
|
49,065
|
6,771,000
|
47
|
Pakistan
|
3
|
14
|
11
|
28
|
49,393
|
1,383,000
|
48
|
Czech
Republic
|
28
|
25
|
13
|
66
|
50,182
|
3,312,000
|
49
|
Great
Britain
|
37
|
32
|
36
|
105
|
52,867
|
5,551,000
|
50
|
United
States
|
503
|
447
|
436
|
1,386
|
52,869
|
73,277,000
|
51
|
Madagascar
|
32
|
56
|
58
|
146
|
56,390
|
8,233,000
|
52
|
Italy
|
342
|
336
|
308
|
986
|
58,738
|
57,916,000
|
53
|
Papua
New Guinea
|
11
|
19
|
10
|
40
|
60,650
|
2,426,000
|
54
|
Serbia
|
2
|
2
|
2
|
6
|
66,667
|
400,000
|
55
|
Uganda
|
79
|
112
|
82
|
273
|
67,220
|
18,351,000
|
56
|
Australia
|
46
|
27
|
24
|
97
|
69,268
|
6,719,000
|
57
|
Zambia
|
19
|
31
|
28
|
78
|
70,910
|
5,531,000
|
58
|
Belarus
|
6
|
6
|
7
|
19
|
76,789
|
1,459,000
|
59
|
Slovenia
|
8
|
10
|
2
|
20
|
76,950
|
1,539,000
|
60
|
El
Salvador
|
30
|
23
|
14
|
67
|
78,463
|
5,257,000
|
61
|
Haiti
|
31
|
35
|
34
|
100
|
80,380
|
8,038,000
|
62
|
Central
African Republic
|
7
|
5
|
11
|
23
|
80,826
|
1,859,000
|
63
|
Kenya
|
76
|
56
|
54
|
186
|
80,952
|
15,057,000
|
64
|
Malaysia
|
9
|
3
|
3
|
15
|
81,133
|
1,217,000
|
65
|
Latvia
|
1
|
3
|
1
|
5
|
82,400
|
412,000
|
66
|
Hungary
|
21
|
25
|
22
|
68
|
88,074
|
5,989,000
|
67
|
Colombia
|
157
|
180
|
180
|
517
|
89,238
|
46,136,000
|
68
|
Tanzania
|
55
|
66
|
57
|
178
|
89,792
|
15,983,000
|
69
|
South
Africa
|
10
|
13
|
19
|
42
|
92,643
|
3,891,000
|
70
|
East
Timor
|
1
|
8
|
3
|
12
|
101,500
|
1,218,000
|
71
|
Portugal
|
25
|
34
|
30
|
89
|
102,697
|
9,140,000
|
72
|
Dem.
Rep. of the Congo
|
167
|
140
|
124
|
431
|
104,942
|
45,230,000
|
73
|
Spain
|
158
|
130
|
110
|
398
|
109,060
|
43,406,000
|
74
|
Paraguay
|
13
|
28
|
19
|
60
|
109,900
|
6,594,000
|
75
|
Germany
|
60
|
79
|
74
|
213
|
112,437
|
23,949,000
|
76
|
Costa
Rica
|
7
|
13
|
15
|
35
|
112,886
|
3,951,000
|
77
|
Peru
|
103
|
81
|
60
|
244
|
116,861
|
28,514,000
|
78
|
Ireland
|
19
|
16
|
12
|
47
|
117,404
|
5,518,000
|
79
|
Hong
Kong
|
1
|
2
|
2
|
5
|
120,200
|
601,000
|
80
|
Mexico
|
314
|
309
|
312
|
935
|
121,089
|
113,218,000
|
81
|
Honduras
|
28
|
17
|
14
|
59
|
122,949
|
7,254,000
|
82
|
Malawi
|
16
|
18
|
13
|
47
|
124,149
|
5,835,000
|
83
|
Canada
|
44
|
32
|
44
|
120
|
135,067
|
16,208,000
|
84
|
Ivory
Coast
|
69
|
58
|
54
|
181
|
135,751
|
24,571,000
|
85
|
Brazil
|
471
|
348
|
450
|
1,269
|
137,846
|
174,926,000
|
86
|
Nicaragua
|
13
|
23
|
3
|
39
|
146,026
|
5,695,000
|
87
|
Angola
|
34
|
31
|
43
|
108
|
151,852
|
16,400,000
|
88
|
Switzerland
|
5
|
9
|
7
|
21
|
163,619
|
3,436,000
|
89
|
Austria
|
11
|
11
|
9
|
31
|
165,194
|
5,121,000
|
90
|
Uruguay
|
6
|
2
|
8
|
16
|
168,063
|
2,689,000
|
91
|
Bolivia
|
15
|
27
|
14
|
56
|
172,232
|
9,645,000
|
92
|
Venezuela
|
67
|
42
|
49
|
158
|
174,677
|
27,599,000
|
93
|
Dominican
Republic
|
24
|
14
|
16
|
54
|
178,370
|
9,632,000
|
94
|
Mozambique
|
14
|
16
|
12
|
42
|
181,452
|
7,621,000
|
95
|
Philippines
|
147
|
170
|
146
|
463
|
186,566
|
86,380,000
|
96
|
Puerto
Rico
|
9
|
1
|
5
|
15
|
188,400
|
2,826,000
|
97
|
Ecuador
|
21
|
36
|
20
|
77
|
189,545
|
14,595,000
|
98
|
Argentina
|
86
|
66
|
62
|
214
|
194,266
|
41,573,000
|
99
|
France
|
69
|
88
|
83
|
240
|
202,671
|
48,641,000
|
100
|
Guatemala
|
20
|
20
|
20
|
60
|
225,883
|
13,553,000
|
101
|
Netherlands
|
7
|
8
|
6
|
21
|
226,190
|
4,750,000
|
102
|
Panama
|
7
|
5
|
4
|
16
|
226,813
|
3,629,000
|
103
|
Lithuania
|
3
|
5
|
3
|
11
|
232,727
|
2,560,000
|
104
|
South
Sudan
|
8
|
8
|
7
|
23
|
270,217
|
6,215,000
|
105
|
Cuba
|
8
|
5
|
11
|
24
|
283,125
|
6,795,000
|
106
|
Sudan
|
2
|
1
|
1
|
4
|
298,250
|
1,193,000
|
107
|
Chile
|
19
|
6
|
11
|
36
|
377,833
|
13,602,000
|
108
|
Belgium
|
10
|
3
|
6
|
19
|
431,158
|
8,192,000
|
In addition to the countries listed above, there are a number of other
countries of note with fewer than 100,000 Catholics that
have at least nine ordinations in the three years examined or at least one
ordination per year. In fact, remove the minimum 100,000 Catholics requirement
and Nepal shoots to the top of the list with 2,667 Catholics per ordinand (3
ordinations; one each year with a total Catholic population of 8,000). Other
countries that would appear if the Catholic population restriction is removed
while the other requirements are maintained include: Samoa (3,444 Catholics per
ordinand), Niger (3,833 per ordinand), Liechtenstein (5,600 per ordinand),
Denmark (7,833 per ordinand), Kosovo (11,000 per odinand), Kiribati (16,750 per
ordinand), and Fiji (21,333 per ordinand). However, these ratios are, in part, a function of having very small Catholic populations. At the same time it is still remarkable that Catholics in these nations are consistently choosing to become diocesan priests.
Last we looked in 2017, the top U.S. dioceses for Catholics per ordinand were Nashville (4,678 Catholics per ordinand), Crookston (5,348 per ordinand), Covington (6,455 per ordinand), Lincoln (6,506 per ordinand), and Knoxville (6,912 per ordinand). Check out The CARA Report in the near future for updated diocesan rankings.
Image courtesy of Billy Lopue.
Last we looked in 2017, the top U.S. dioceses for Catholics per ordinand were Nashville (4,678 Catholics per ordinand), Crookston (5,348 per ordinand), Covington (6,455 per ordinand), Lincoln (6,506 per ordinand), and Knoxville (6,912 per ordinand). Check out The CARA Report in the near future for updated diocesan rankings.
Image courtesy of Billy Lopue.
Note: The Vatican includes Ireland and Northern Ireland as Ireland and Great Britain includes England, Wales, and Scotland.
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